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02-06-2014, 11:37 AM
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I've had a semi long debate with MrX_ua over metric units of measurements for fuel consumption. Currently the game uses KM/L which makes sense to me, however MrX_ua believe it should be L/100KM which he states is more common.
I've been around many Japanese vehicles in my life and I'm almost sure they use KM/L
Then again I'm getting old. Memory doesn't work as well anymore! 
In any case both will probably make it into the game, however, I'm still curious as to what you use! So how about it? KM/L or L/100KM.
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02-06-2014, 11:56 AM
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I voted for L/100km, i think in most cases it looks better/cleaner and easier to discuss.
I have a preference for working/talking about whole numbers as i find them easier to discuss. Just doing some quick searching on fuel efficiencies, using the L/100km seems to insure that whole numbers are being used in most cases. (could be wrong there, it was just a quick search.
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02-06-2014, 11:59 AM
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I don't see how L/100km is whole numbers? It looks like a fraction to me!
Km/l is always over 1, so it's more whole number looking to me! 
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In Europe, fuel comsumption is only measured in l/100 km. I have never seen km/l ever in the metric system and I don't think that anybody ever used it.
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02-06-2014, 12:20 PM
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(02-06-2014, 12:12 PM)Celeste Wrote: In Europe, fuel comsumption is only measured in l/100 km. I have never seen km/l ever in the metric system and I don't think that anybody ever used it.
That's the purpose of this thread, to find out who uses what. L/100km isn't universal: http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1757958
I'm also sure in Asia they use km/l : http://mirageforum.com/forum/showthread....S%29-5-spd
We have a heavy European Bias on here, so I think L/100km might win out. 
But I'm sure I'm not the only one who uses km/l, (Well actually I use MPG, but if I had to use metric I'd use km/l)
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I'm also voting litres/100 kilometres.
The only reason I can reasonably think you'd use km/L is because of issues with UI space, in which case I'd understand why you'd do it (it'd be 3 characters shorter for the label and 1-2 characters less in the dynamic field likely). Otherwise, if practicable, it's best I think to use what the standard convention is.
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02-06-2014, 12:36 PM
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(02-06-2014, 11:59 AM)Eric.B Wrote: I don't see how L/100km is whole numbers? It looks like a fraction to me!
Km/l is always over 1, so it's more whole number looking to me! Your right, clearly i made weird mistake there.
I should really be more careful about reading and posting at 4am.
Even though i was wrong on the whole numbers, the L/100km is still a lot more familiar to me as i basically grew up with it in Australia. (depending on who you ask, youll get different things in imperial or metric though, so i wont claim its universal or anything like that)
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Well, the primary target audience of this game will likely be either from Europe or North America, thus it makes sense to implement the two most common units for these two groups, which would be l/100km and MPG.
In fact, when I first played this, I didn't even realize km/l was used ANYHWERE in the real world and thought that you had made it up
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(02-06-2014, 12:39 PM)freeman2344 Wrote: Well, the primary target audience of this game will likely be either from Europe or North America, thus it makes sense to implement the two most common units for these two groups, which would be l/100km and MPG.
In fact, when I first played this, I didn't even realize km/l was used ANYHWERE in the real world and thought that you had made it up
As I said previously, all three will probably be included, if not the winner of the poll will take the metric spot.
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Well, to be fare, km/L does make a little bit of sense for the earliest cars who, let's face it, didn't always have even a 100km range on a full tank?
Maybe, if fuel tanks are ever added, or some way to set a vehicle's range, if the vehicle has at least 100km range, they use the 100km format, otherwise they use km/L, because that's probably the only way it can actually be measured.
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I voted L/100km because that's what's used in Australia. Having said that, I've always thought it to be arse about but whatevs.
Also, please ignore Arakash's plea for whole numbers. It already annoys me no end the km/L and MPG only show whole numbers. Actually, every instance of truncated or rounded off to a while number that I can think of currently in the game annoys me!! My biggest pet peeve with this regard is the vehicle stat screen telling me I have a 0L engine in my car!
Sorry for the minor derailment. I blame Arakash =p
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02-06-2014, 03:27 PM
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Km/l was commonly used in Europe, but was changed to l/100km in the 90's I think.
I blame EU 
As long as you keep it metric, I'm not bothered.
But then again, you might want to have as an option to change between metric and imperial measurements, as most people have no clue about other systems. (I mean all measurements in the game will be metric or imperial.)
This will also solve the annoying thing, when you create a chassis with xx" Width for engine, create an engine which is xx" and it doesn't fit because it's several mm too large.
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02-06-2014, 03:53 PM
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(02-06-2014, 03:53 PM)Celeste Wrote: Km/l was never used in Europe, it was always l/100 km. The EU only regulated how the car industry had to measure the fuel consumption in 1996. So there is nobody to blame, l/100 km is a normal thing in "the rest of the world" like mpg in US and GB.
Km/l was commonly used when discussing fuel economy.
l/100km started, when the manufacturers put in computers that told you how many l/100km you were currently doing.
From there, l/100km is becoming the norm when you discuss fuel economy.
And I blame EU for just about anything
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(02-06-2014, 04:56 PM)Sarchez Wrote: (02-06-2014, 03:53 PM)Celeste Wrote: Km/l was never used in Europe, it was always l/100 km. The EU only regulated how the car industry had to measure the fuel consumption in 1996. So there is nobody to blame, l/100 km is a normal thing in "the rest of the world" like mpg in US and GB.
Km/l was commonly used when discussing fuel economy.
l/100km started, when the manufacturers put in computers that told you how many l/100km you were currently doing.
From there, l/100km is becoming the norm when you discuss fuel economy.
...
Err, no 
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(02-06-2014, 05:01 PM)Celeste Wrote: (02-06-2014, 04:56 PM)Sarchez Wrote: (02-06-2014, 03:53 PM)Celeste Wrote: Km/l was never used in Europe, it was always l/100 km. The EU only regulated how the car industry had to measure the fuel consumption in 1996. So there is nobody to blame, l/100 km is a normal thing in "the rest of the world" like mpg in US and GB.
Km/l was commonly used when discussing fuel economy.
l/100km started, when the manufacturers put in computers that told you how many l/100km you were currently doing.
From there, l/100km is becoming the norm when you discuss fuel economy.
...
Err, no
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No need to fight, I think we can just conclude that Europe as a whole, hasn't had 1 common standard on this, like in most other aspects.
(And that Celeste and I aren't from the same area of Europe)
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(02-07-2014, 09:27 AM)Sarchez Wrote: (And that Celeste and I aren't from the same area of Europe)
Yes, that is quiet obvious
(02-07-2014, 09:27 AM)Sarchez Wrote: No need to fight, I think we can just conclude that Europe as a whole, hasn't had 1 common standard on this, like in most other aspects.
(And that Celeste and I aren't from the same area of Europe)
Didn't notice that we had a fight. Well, we just have to wait and see how the poll develops!
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Celeste - pretty sure he was commenting in regards to Franky egging you two on.
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